Winter Weather and Our Hours of Operation

At Whistling Pines Gun Club we want to be available to our members as much as possible.  However we also want to be safe.  To that end, we conform to the Peterson Air Force Base delayed starts, closures and early releases.

For example: If Peterson AFB is operating under a two hour delay; Whistling Pines Gun Club is operating under a two hour delay.

Whistling Pines Gun Club members can check several avenues for information: the Peterson Snow Call Line at 556-SNOW (7669), local television and radio stations, and www.peterson.af.mil

When inclement weather occurs during the winter months, our primary concern is your safety.

Thanks

Bob
Whistling Pines Gun Club
Your Home on the Range

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Does it Make Sense to Carry a Concealed Weapon?

 

We came across these stats on the Saiga 12 Forum the other day.  While we can’t speak to the accuracy of the data, on the surface it appears to make sense.  If it takes the average person two seconds to draw from concealment and your assailant can cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds, it begs the question, should you bother carrying a concealed weapon?

• 55% of gunfights take place in 0 to 5 feet.
• 20% of gunfights take place in 5 to 10 ft.
• 20% of gunfights take place in 10 to 21 ft.
• 95% of gunfights take place in 0 to 21 ft. (Source- FBI)
• The average man can cover 21 ft. of ground in 1.5 seconds.
• The average man cannot draw a gun from concealment in under 2 seconds.
• Seek and use cover. Be aware of false cover. (ie bushes – that’s concealment, not cover)
• The average gunfight is over in 3-5 seconds.
• 3 to 4 shots are usually fired.
• Most gunfights take place in low light conditions.
• On average, one shot in four strikes someone.

Obvious answer is Yes.  Carrying a concealed weapon gives you choices.  You will at least have the chance to defend yourself from grave bodily harm or even death.  How big a chance you will have can be improved, here’s how:

  1. Type of Carry – Where you carry your gun and what type of clothes you are wearing will make a big difference.  A belt carry or a pocket carry are great unless you have to negotiate a bulky overcoat to get to the gun.  A purse carry is fine unless you have to first unzip or open a flap to get inside. Two things can help you here, first anticipate.  We like to always anticipate trouble, especially where you least expect it.  Just follow our Facebook page and you will see numerous instances of people coming home to their house and encountering an intruder.  If you anticipate trouble you are already one step ahead.  Your hand is on your gun, your purse is unzipped, your coat is open.  Second adjust your carry to match conditions.  If you are going to be wearing a bulky overcoat, get a pocket carry holster and use one of the coat pockets.  You can always switch to a belt or pants pocket carry when you get to your destination.
  2. Back up.  If you are faced with a threat, put some space between you and your attacker.  This can buy you valuable seconds and it will give you an indication of their intentions. If you back-up and they pursue, your case for defending yourself with deadly force could be stronger with the authorities.
  3. Practice, practice, practice.  Developing muscle memory will enable you to perform when you have adrenalin surging through your veins and the world has gone crazy.  Make it automatic.

If only one shot in four actually hits it’s target, you should be the one that fires that shot!

A quote we like:

“Do you know that ‘if’ is the middle word in life? ‘If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you’…”

So keep your head and trust in yourself.   In the end you are the only person truly responsible for you.

Be Safe

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Shooting the FNP 45 Tactical and Ruger Mark III 22/45 with AAC Silencers

All of our lives we have seen movies with the amazing noise suppression as a result of a silenced gun. At whistling Pines Gun Club we decided to put silencers to the test.  We equipped a Ruger Mark III 22/45 with a AAC Prodigy silencer and an FNP Tactical 45 with an AAC Ti-RANT. Then we went out on the range to try them out. Here is the video of the results:

If you have never shot a gun with a silencer, you owe it to yourself to try one out.  You can rent one of these guns with the suppressor for $10 for the gun plus $20 for the suppressor plus ammo.  Call the Club for more information.

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Would You LIke to Own a Machine Gun, Short Barrel Rifle or Silencer?

  • Machine Guns
  • Short Barreled Rifles/Shotguns
  • Silencers

These “Class 3″ items are strictly regulated by the National Firearms Act (NFA) – but that doesn’t mean you can’t own one!

On February 2nd we will hold our first Purchasing a Class 3 course.  It will be taught by a Colorado Springs attorney, well versed in firearms law.  We will cover:

  • Who cannot own a Class 3?
  • What weapons are covered by the NFA?
  • What is an NFA trust?
  • What are the advantages and disadvantages of an NFA trust?

These are great fun to own and shoot!  In addition, a significant market exists for these weapons.  Find out what you need to know in order to own one for yourself.

This class is being offered at no charge, but we ask that you only sign up if you are serious about owning a Class 3 device.  Space is limited.

Click here for more information and to schedule the class.

 

 

 

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Gun Accidentally Fires From Inside Girl’s Purse at Wyoming Starbucks – Our Take

 

Wow! Not 20 days after we put up a blog post and video about the purse carry,we see this story in the news.  In a nutshell, dad gives daughter a Derringer-type double-barrel .38 Special to carry for self protection.  The girls is a minor and didn’t receive any gun training.  The firearm discharged and the bullet went through a chair and wall barely missing several customers.

We cant let this pass without pointing out the gross errors made:

  1. Don’t buy your underage son or daughter a gun.  Don’t allow them to handle a gun without sending them to training and making them practice with the firearm until they have achieved at least a basic level of proficiency.  This girl was in greater jeopardy with a gun than without.
  2. If you are willing to spend the money for a gun, spend a little bit more for a concealed carry purse.  There are several very good options on the market (we stock a number ourselves) and the integral holster will protect against accidental discharge.
  3. Federal Law says you must be 21 to own and/or carry a concealed weapon (18 for a long arm and it must be open carry.)  This girl was sited with underage carrying of a firearm – not her father.

Consider this a plea for parents everywhere to exercise sound judgement when it comes to educating your kids about firearms.  This is a story we just posted on our Facebook wall about a 12 year old girl who defended her home from intruders with a pink .22 rifle.  She had been trained in the use of the gun and had practiced with it. She went to her mom’s closet and called 911.  In other words she acted responsibly, as opposed to the Wyoming incident where innocent people were almost shot.

Whistling Pines Gun Club

 

 

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Concealed Carry Permit Holder Kills 5 East LA Gang Bangers

The story of Lance Thomas is amazing and ordinarily when we see a video like this, we would just post a link to it on our Facebook page for our fans.  But this story is different and we wanted to make some observations.

First, this is a must watch video.  Over the course of several years watchmaker Lance Thomas used deadly force to defend himself on multiple occasions.  He has been shot five times – yet he refuses to be a victim:

After the first robbery attempt, Mr. Thomas took these steps:

  1. He went to the range to practice – This is our mantra here at Whistling Pines Gun Club.  Practice, Practice, Practice.  The muscle memory developed from repeating the mechanics of firing will serve you well in the stress of a live fire situation, in fact, it will save your life.
  2. He started going to the gym several times per week – This is an often overlooked aspect of firearm proficiency.  You need to be able to handle your weapon with confidence.  Strength and endurance are of critical importance.  Also, you never know when  a gun fight could turn into hand to hand combat.
  3. He worked out gunfight tactics for every robbery scenario he could think of – This is of critical importance.  What if there are multiple attackers?  Who should you shoot first? Where can you take cover?  Where are your firing lines and what about bystanders?  (Our Defending your Home, Defensive Indexed Shooting and Shoot and Move classes will all help prepare you to defend yourself.)
  4. He bought multiple guns and put them in strategic locations around his shop – This can be a little tricky depending on who has access to different areas of your facility.  It worked for Lance but, we would prefer a handgun in your favorite carry with an easily accessible spare magazine.  By practicing drawing from a belt or pocket carry you should be able to get your reaction time down to less than a second.

One aspect of this story should be of grave concern to anyone who watches this video.  They state that Lance was only one of two Santa Monica residents to hold a concealed weapons permit.  Every gang member that tried to rob his store was armed (one with a Mac 10)  yet California consistently refuses to allow law abiding citizens to arm themselves. Here in Colorado we are much more fortunate.  We offer information on obtaining a Concealed Carry Permit in Colorado Springs and we offer Training Classes that will qualify you to obtain your Concealed Weapons License.  Lets make Colorado Springs the safest city in America.

Lance talks about fighting back and in doing so is the willingness to kill and be killed.  We think Lance Thomas is a hero.  It’s  tough decision to make but if more properly prepared people fought back, there would be fewer violent criminals on the street.

See also:
* Concealed Carry Training – The Pocket Carry
* Concealed Carry Training – The Purse Carry

 

 

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A Poem Sent To Us From a Friend in Canada

 A Different Christmas PoemThe embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.
My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
Transforming the yard to a winter delight.

The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
So slumbered I, perhaps I started to dream
The sound wasn’t loud, and it wasn’t too near,
But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear.
Perhaps just a cough, I didn’t quite know,
Then the sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
And I crept to the door just to see who was near.
Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
A lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.
A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
Perhaps a Trooper, huddled here in the cold.
 
Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.
“What are you doing?” I asked without fear,
“Come in this moment, it’s freezing out here!

Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,
You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!”
For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts.
To the window that danced with a warm fire’s light
Then he sighed and he said “Its really all right,
I’m out here by choice. I’m here every night.”

“It’s my duty to stand at the front of the line,
That separates you from the darkest of times.
No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I’m proud to stand here like my fathers before me.
My Gramps died in Europe on a day in December,”
Then he sighed,

“That’s a Christmas ‘Gram always remembers.”
I’ve not seen my own son in more than a while,
But my wife sends me pictures, he’s sure got her smile.

Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
The red and the white … A Canadian flag.
I can live through the cold and the being alone,
Away from my family, my house and my home.
I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.
I can carry the weight of killing another,
Or lay down my life with my sister and brother.
Who stand at the front against any and all,
To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall.”
“So go back inside,” he said, “harbor no fright,
Your family is waiting and I’ll be all right.”
“But isn’t there something I can do, at the least,
“Give you money,” I asked, “or prepare you a feast?
It seems all too little for all that you’ve done,
For being away from your wife and your son.”
Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
“Just tell us you love us, and never forget.

To fight for our rights back at home while we’re gone,
To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
For when we come home, either standing or dead,
To know you remember we fought and we bled.
Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
That we mattered to you as you mattered to us.”
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New Product Alert – Survival Straps

If you have ever gone hunting or hiking deep in the Colorado backwoods, you know that there are certain things you carry on your person and not in your pack.  Items like waterproof matches, a space blanket, a canteen, a Swiss army knife and a compass.  These are things you do not want to be separated from in an emergency.  Now there is another piece of essential gear you will want with you at all times:

The Survival Strap

Wear it, Unravel it, Survive!

A Survival Strap is essentially a bracelet that can be unwound in seconds to provide you with 16 feet of high strength, military grade parachute cord.  There are a variety of styles:

  • Men’s 
  • Women’s
  • Police
  • Firefighter
  • Military
  • Collegiate

You can also get a Survival Strap as a watchband.  At Whistling Pines Gun Club we have just started stocking Survival Straps.  They sell for $24.99 and $27.95.  Stop by Our Store today and see which Strap fits your style.  “Wear it, unravel it, survive!”

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Concealed Carry Training – The Purse Carry

Where to Conceal a Gun?

It’s Saturday night and you have a date.  You want to wear that slinky, sexy new dress you just bought, but what do you do about your concealed gun?  We are, of course, assuming you have a Colorado Concealed Carry Permit and have attended Concealed Carry Training.  There is the bra holster or the thigh carry, but you will have your purse with you…

As we continue our series on the different types of concealed carry methods, we will examine The Gun Purse Carry.  Bob donated a purse to be sacrificed for the sake of science and Patty volunteered to conduct a live fire purse shooting.  Here are the Gun Purse test results:

If you live in Colorado click here for information on How To Get a Concealed Carry Permit In Colorado.  Click here if you are interested in Concealed Carry Training in Colorado Springs.

We will not address the issue of whether you should carry a concealed weapon in your purse or not.  The fact is women do it.  If you are one of those that prefer to have a gun in your purse we support your decision and have an analysis and some pro’s and con’s for you to consider.

The handbag we used in our tests was designed for conceal and carry.  It had a through and through zippered pocket with a built in holster.  The gun we used was an S&W 642 CT.  This gun holds 5 rounds and fit nicely into the purse’s holster.  It has an internal hammer, so firing a round from inside the purse should be no problem (we thought!)

Here is how The Purse Carry stacked up against our six tactical considerations:

Accessibility – This is potentially the biggest drawback to the conceal and carry purse:

  • You could get separated from your purse.
  • You may not have time to open a closed purse in time to access the gun.  Don’t count on always seeing danger coming!
  • You could reach into the purse and not be able to find a loose gun.  This brings up another issue.  If the purse does not have a built in holster, then it would be prudent to put the gun into a holster in the purse, the problem with this is obvious, if you have to pull the gun you have added the extra step of having to pull the gun from the holster after pulling the gun from the purse.
  • If you put the loose gun into a purse you run the additional risk of an accidental discharge.  Some purses designed for concealed carry have locks.

For these reasons we tend not to prefer this carry as opposed to carrying the gun somewhere on your person.  If you are going to opt for the purse carry, we strongly recommend that you purchase a concealed carry purse with a built in holster.

Printing – Printing is not an issue with the gun in a closed purse.  It is possible for someone to see the gun through the open top, depending on the position of the built in holster.  If you are using a purse that does not have an integral holster, (again we are against this carry) then keep the gun in a separate pocket reserved exclusively and only for the pistol.
A big advantage of this carry is if you feel that you may be in danger, you can put your hand on the gun in the purse.  In this way you are ready without telegraphing or brandishing.

Alignment (of the gun in the purse) – This is not a problem with an integral holster; with a loose gun in your purse – it’s a very big problem.

Trigger Cover – The holster should provide adequate trigger protection.  The last thing you want is a gun vs. lipstick accidental discharge.

Cleanliness – As we have suggested, by segregating the gun from the rest of the items in your purse this shouldn’t be a problem.  As always adopt a consistent, frequent cleaning schedule and stick to it!

Comfort – Weight is the big issue here.  A purse will allow you to carry a much bigger firearm than other concealed carries.  This may prompt some to carry bigger and heavier than is comfortable.  But if you’re OK hauling around a 73 oz. S&W 500 magnum, we say go for it!

We also recommend using a cross shoulder purse strap carry.  This lowers the possibility that a purse-snatcher will make off with your goods and your guns.  It should be noted, with this strap position you could more easily end up being choked in a hand-to-hand combat situation.

Concealed Carry Purse Pro’s and Con’s:

Pros:

  • Excellent Concealment
  • Always with you if the purse is with you
  • No printing
  • “Hand on gun in concealment”  ready position
  • Weight you can carry a heavier gun
  • Does not limit your clothing choices

Cons:

  • You must monitor your purse at all times
  • You could be separated from your purse
  • Shooting through the purse is not practical or advisable (see video)
  • Potentially slower draw speed and other accessibility issues
  • Expense of specialized purse
  • Big guns make for a heavy purse

As you can see from the video, shooting through the handbag is not practical and we only recommend it as a last ditch effort.  While we could reasonably estimate the side-to-side direction the gun was pointing, it was impossible to accurately tell the inclination of the barrel.

In our practice session we consistently shot low.  The short strap length of this purse definitely played a part in the difficulties we experienced and should be a consideration in your purchase.

Patty fights the purse to line up a shot.

Finally, you need to practice.  Start out at home and with an unloaded firearm, practice pulling and dry firing over and over again.  Make sure your not sweeping your body, particularly the weak hand that is holding the purse.  Also practice reaching over and drawing with your weak hand you never know when an assailant will have you in his grip.  Next come down to the Range and practice live fire.  Be sure to remove the table from the stall (we can help you with this.)

At Whistling Pines Gun Club we stock a variety of concealed carry handbags and our staff will be more than happy to work with you to get the right fit for you and your handgun of choice.

So go ahead, wear that slinky dress…

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Our Correspondence with El Paso County Regarding the Proposed Public Shooting Range

On November 27th, we wrote to El Paso County regarding the proposed public shooting range.  We have some serious concerns about this venture by the County.  Our letter to them and their initial response is reprinted below.

As this dialog continues, we will keep you posted…

From: Darryl Glenn
Date: November 28, 2011 1:51:38 PM
To: Robert Holmes, Imad Karaki, Jeff Greene
Subject: Re: New County Shooting Range

Mr Holmes,

Thank you for your questions. I will have our staff prepare a response.

Jeff/Imad,

Could you please prepare a response to Mr Holmes’ questions.

Regards,

Darryl Glenn
El Paso County Commissioner District #1

Our Original Letter:

On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 PM, “Robert Holmes” wrote:

Dear Commissioner Glenn,

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to voice some of my concerns to the commission on Tuesday, November 15, 2011. As I witnessed the signing, a couple more questions crossed my mind about the new Public Funded World Class Outdoor Shooting Range that were not answered at the meeting.

Now that the county is officially in the gun range business:

  1. What are the projected ongoing expenses for which the County will be liable?
  2. How many county employees will be directly and indirectly involved with this over the next 10 years? What will be their compensation?
  3. Who is going to monitor and pay for the lead reclamation at the range?
  4. Who will be responsible for monitoring all the EPA, OSHA , and other range regulations and insuring the range is in compliance and will the Counties relationship with the regulators result in unfair advantage?
  5. Will the shooting stations have bulletproof partitions protecting the shooters from other “less safe” shooters on the range.
  6. What is the County’s liability if there is an accidental shooting injury?
  7. Did any city employee visit the public and private outdoor ranges in the local area and check into the nuances of actually running a range?
  8. What happens when the expected volunteer money and personnel do not materialize?
  9. What happens when the fees charged to use the range do not cover its costs? Will the fees be raised or will taxpayers be required to make up the difference.

Wild West Shooters:
One of the purported reasons for building this range is to provide an alternative place for people currently using our local mountains to shoot. The assumption this range will be utilized by these individuals is fundamentally flawed. Colorado Springs has at least 3 outdoor private ranges and one outdoor public range and those shooters don’t use them. None of the current local outdoor ranges are much if any more expensive than the County’s proposed range. What is the probability that the “wild west shooters” do not want to be supervised and will continue to shoot up the environment? Any guesses?

Impact on Existing Businesses:
Where in the county charter does it allow the County to compete with the private sector? In the absence of any language governing this issue, we have to ask ourselves, is it the right thing to do? The owners of the local ranges have invested in our community. We have built infrastructure, provided employment, paid taxes, educated people and have made our community a safer place. Now El Paso County has decided to move into the private sector and compete directly with local businesses. Furthermore you have decided to do it during the worst economic times any of us have ever seen. What happens to the local outdoor ranges when they cannot compete with your facility? Will they be compensated if the County puts them out of business?

Competitive Neutrality Issues:
Public entities engaging in private sector activities raise serious concerns. How will El Paso County conduct business?

Will the proposed range enjoy financial advantages such as

  • No requirement to pay taxes,
  • Availability of lower-cost financing, particularly in light of the fact that public sector entities are not required to earn a commercial rate of return,
  • Unfair cost structure resulting from public procurement advantages?
  • Will the proposed range engage in anticompetitive practices?
  • Will the proposed range be cross-subsidized in any way from public funds?
  • Will the proposed range collect data about customers and their firearms? Will this information be made available to law enforcement agencies?

Competitive neutrality problems can arise when competition is distorted by the advantages that some government businesses have due to their government ownership.
Thank you for taking the time to address these concerns, I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,
Bob and Joyce Holmes
Owners of Whistling Pines Gun Club

Cc: 2000 Whistling Pines Gun Club Members
Debbie Kelley of the Gazette Telegraph

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